chriwi wrote:I am also happy to see that you are still around chelle.
Yes, me too, but I guess that's because the LHC is in maintenance right now
chriwi wrote:But asuming for any kind of vapor that it must be combustable is a bit far fetched, I guess there are more noncombustable vapors around in the world than the epecially desind combustable vapors in engines.
We should first consider if this possible vapor as you call it could be combvustable at all or rather not.
Yes that's a fair argument.
But if I may bring up a first point regardless if the 'vapor' is dangerous or not, we haven't got a reference frame for this situation. For the safety report we look at Cosmic-rays but they happen all over the place and those that are in the reach (and beyond) the energies of the LHC are very rare, and thus there could be in the LHC a unique vapor-cloud build up, at one specific place. Check out the density and frequency to compare the situations:
In nature there are about a thousand Cosmic ray collisions of a few GeV’s (1 GeV= 10^9 electron Volt) per second per m^2. In LHC it are about one 1 billion per second per cm^2. That’s 1.000.000 times more for an area which is 10.000 smaller, it is a density & frequency difference of 10 billion.
At the end of last year we humans have even generated collisions on this planet, who were an other 1000 times more intense, with energies of 8 TeV (1 TeV= 10^12 eV). These collisions are in nature of course even less frequent per m^2 while the density & frequency at the LHC of 10 billion per cm^2 was maintained.
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Well to be or not to be, is the 'vapor' dangerous or not; to answer that question we have to look at the conversion factor of energy into mass and visa versa, could this vapor be regarded as stored
unstable energy, just like kerosine is less stable than tab water, and thus more combustable.
Another question is, can you
only break protons apart, by smashing them into each other, or could you also make them decompose and break up, when an extra Quark or Meson enters the Proton's inner mechanism and shakes it up; if so let's say that you have a large amount (a cloud) of these drops hanging around, and domino-wise they suddenly all start to break open, spreading out, just like how a single *spark* ignites the fuel in your car's engine; and by doing so disrupting the inner processes of a large percentage of atoms at one area, who in turn burst open (decompose); then you have a scenario where combusting protons generate in turn a fresh amount of these drops who spread out ... and the beginning of an unstoppable chain reaction at a sub-atomic level, releasing enormous amounts of energy ... So what happens when protons come in contact with this vapor ... and the tricky part to find this out, is that you have to first create a mass amount of these droplets.