So how’s everyone holding up because of the Coronavirus
Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:52 pm
I hope you’re all doing fine
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The scientist I referred to at the end, wasn't a scientist from the 'incrowd' the minister followed a scientist with a political background. That's why I wrote second last paragraph 'top' scientists.
Well in the US you had Fauci say that it was best to wear (selfmade) masks in the beginning of April, while the WHO was still waving it away. Our 'top' scientists followed the WHO.I disagree with you heavily. Most of this has been caused by politicians not listening to scientists and then spinning it so that 'the science has changed'.
I won't dispute this.Pandemic research and prevention have been hugely underfunded forever by governments (the US had a department specifically for preparing for a pandemic, Trump shut it down in 2018).
Explain me why begin April the Fauci advices to all wear masks, while the WHO doesn't.Yes scientists have been guessing at times, largely because there's so many unknown variables, but it's educated guesses.
Some of those countries have closed their borders immediately something that left wing scientists couldn't imagine to do because of their political views.And the serious underfunding has made this worse. It's interesting to notice that the countries that have promptly implemented scientific advice (Germany, Japan, Australia, New Zealand) have come out pretty well, ...
In some parts in the US it is much less worse than in Europe, see for instance California.... whereas those who dithered and changed their minds (US, UK) are doing really badly,
Trump got a lot of critique from left wing media for canceling flights from China....and it's even worse considering the infection arrived late in their countries so there was already a pile of evidence to go on. So they're spinning it to blame others (a Trump speciality) to distract from their own criminal negligence.
I think you put your finger on the problem here. Politicians like to pick scientists who say the sorts of things they want to hear and who moderate what they say to fit the political climate, this has proved literally fatal in this climate. This is the fault of the politicians, not the scientists.
Scientists sometimes disagree ! Who knew ! You are making the issue too black and white. It isn't do or don't, there are shades for grey. The WHO have not said there's no need to wear face masks at all, but there is a disagreement of their efficacy. There is also the issue of supply and the fact if they all came out and said 'wear masks' there would be so much stupid panic buying that there would be a threat to the supply to areas where there is no disagreement about wearing them (e.g. hospitals).Well in the US you had Fauci say that it was best to wear (selfmade) masks in the beginning of April, while the WHO was still waving it away. Our 'top' scientists followed the WHO.
Are you suggesting that the advice that the general public don't need to wear masks is political ??Explain me why begin April the Fauci advices to all wear masks, while the WHO doesn't.
Lots of strange politics at play!
Germany's fundamental ability to test has been overstated, usually by politicians looking for an excuse as to why Germany is doing better. It probably has more to do with the country being led by a woman with a scientific background.Some of those countries have closed their borders immediately something that left wing scientists couldn't imagine to do because of their political views.
Edit: Germany has great industrial ties with China and bought all reagentia for testing, other countries had nothing to test with. Makes a world of difference.
This is utterly callous. This is the typical "It's not that bad, these people would have died anyway" excuse that seems a favourite of the political right. Are you happy to go into hospital and tell someone they are not going to get treatment because they 'were going to die anyway' ? We're all going to die sooner or later. The average lost life expectancy of those dying currently stands at about 15 years.In some parts in the US it is much less worse than in Europe, see for instance California.
Overall seen the disease isn't that bad.
Let's say double the amount of people have died than normal, that is still not a lot.
How many people do you know that died of Covid-19?
It are mainly elderly who only had a few years to live or others with underlying symptoms.
We live in a time where people get very old.
I'm happy to accept that the flights issue is the one thing Trump probably got right, although one could achieve the same by testing and quarantining (although not if your country hasn't prepared), but it's about the only thing he got right so he's been going on about it a lot. Doesn't mention his "We'll be back to normal by Easter statement" or similar things.Trump got a lot of critique from left wing media for canceling flights from China.
Not saying that he isn't good at blaming others, at times he's an a-hole. He was lucky to have Fauci.
But here in Europe the WHO was followed blindly and they were very wrong, this is a very left wing political group ... I don't mind social ideas, but when science becomes too politicised then there's something fishy going on.
Yeah sure it is me who sees things black and white, while you fail to see that the connection between politicians and scientists (lobby) goes both ways.DCWhitworth wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 7:27 amI think you put your finger on the problem here. Politicians like to pick scientists who say the sorts of things they want to hear and who moderate what they say to fit the political climate, this has proved literally fatal in this climate. This is the fault of the politicians, not the scientists.
chelle wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:57 am... our health minister is a woman and she had our whole safety stock of masks destroyed a couple of years ago. BTW She is a general practitioner by profession (scientist), and she kept claiming for months that mask have no use in public. Our minister of budget was also responsible for the destruction of these masks because it was done to cut finances, that minister of budget was also a woman and she's now even our PM.
A small update on the actual numbers: