CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

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CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

Post by Tau » Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:54 pm

You probably noticed that CMS always seems to get a little less luminosity than ATLAS.
In the latest fills, I noticed CMS is always a bit earlier (one or two minutes) with taking data so that during the first few minutes or so, their integrated luminosity is higher than ATLAS.
Of course, with ATLAS getting more, they are quickly taken over, but at least at the beginning, they are ahead.
I wonder what it feels like to be in the control room over there.
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Re: CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

Post by mfb » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:47 pm

The difference between the shown values is a few percent. The experiments are happy if the luminosity uncertainty towards the end of the year is a few percent, the online calibration is worse. The difference is probably just a different calibration, while both experiments really get a very similar luminosity.

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Re: CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

Post by jmc2000 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 11:00 pm

Tau wrote:You probably noticed that CMS always seems to get a little less luminosity than ATLAS.
In the latest fills, I noticed CMS is always a bit earlier (one or two minutes) with taking data so that during the first few minutes or so, their integrated luminosity is higher than ATLAS.
Of course, with ATLAS getting more, they are quickly taken over, but at least at the beginning, they are ahead.
I wonder what it feels like to be in the control room over there.
On page 66 of the LHC presentation on Monday at LHCP 2016 Sweden, it states the Atlas luminosity is 3% too high, CMS 4% too low:

https://indico.cern.ch/event/442390/con ... P16_EM.pdf

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Re: CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

Post by Tau » Sat Jun 18, 2016 9:36 pm

jmc2000 wrote:
Tau wrote:On page 66 of the LHC presentation on Monday at LHCP 2016 Sweden, it states the Atlas luminosity is 3% too high, CMS 4% too low:
https://indico.cern.ch/event/442390/con ... P16_EM.pdf
That is a very interesting presentation. I learned a lot more than the intensity differences.
Thanks for the link!
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Re: CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

Post by sciing » Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:31 pm

Atlas had some Lumi measurement problems in the last fill. With the wrong lumi data CMS equals to Atlas for integrated. Suprisingly the instant lumi in todays fill is now equal, too.;-)

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Re: CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

Post by sciing » Thu Jul 07, 2016 5:59 pm

Looks like CMS completetly recalculated the online lumi.
This plot shows 1/fb more: http://cms-service-lumi.web.cern.ch/cms ... neLumi.pdf
than this one, which would was the trend till yesterday:
http://lpc-afs.web.cern.ch/lpc-afs/LHC/ ... e_2016.png
both should be up to fill 5076

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Re: CMS and ATLAS luminosity: are they jealous?

Post by jmc2000 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:12 pm

Does anyone know why the CMS luminosity is 10% larger than ATLAS, despite being the same before the MDs?

JMc

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