Shadowdraxx wrote:OK, so the people, involved with stating publically the "risk of death from the LHC" so to speak:
Walter L Wagner -perfect example here watch the daily show for how realible his work is, also the sites below will fill you in on how he works (note if u were REALLY concerned about the LHC whats the motivation for being shot down on the daily show???).
http://shouldersofgiantmidgets.blogspot ... n-man.html
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-a ... n-collider
http://onscreen-scientist.com/?tag=otto-rossler
Luis Sancho - Sci-Fi writer that spams all sorts of scary OMG CERN ARE EVIL kinda stuff, has no backgroung nor knowledge in any part of physics, here is a qoute
from the stuff he writes in comments to news articles..
A Damocles sword has been hung on the future of mankind. CERN misinforms mankind.
Also Co Plaintiff (with Wagner) in the main Anti LHC lawsuit which can be followed here:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=85716
The Docket filed to the Court:
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court- ... _id-78717/
Otto Rossler - Ahhh a real working scientist, here is some sanity right? erm well apart from working outside his normal field, he also appears to have written his on theories on the way nature
could work, again best explained on this site: (note not being a physicist I cant explain why he is wrong and i would be wrong to do so, I can only point people to resources where physicist working in the right fields show his inconsistancies).
http://onscreen-scientist.com/?tag=otto-rossler
Orginal paper he made, and a counter paper to thhat showing errors:
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html (towards the bottom).
JTankers - Not sure who this is however he is a important back bone to the anti LHC crew, making websites and forums and then firing semi science (i.e science u could get away with in star trek but not reality) no real evidance of background work on the subject seems to look upto
MR Wagner (note bold for not Dr as Jtankers calls him), I'm not sure what his real motivation is, but I'd say he is someone thats very worried but cannot get past this initial fear.
Dr. Rainer Plaga Another late entry into the Anti LHC aspects, i dont want to have a go here really because i feel he made a paper to open talk and dicussion rather than fear mongering, his paper was then shown to be incorrect, and he seems to be accepting of this like any good scientist will, a further example recently he has not continued to discuss the matter in a scary "OMG WERE GOING TO DIE" way, like the other (note including Rossler who at one point had published in the media to put the LHC on the moon, like thats going to save us from a black hole etc etc).
Again some history on him is below:
http://onscreen-scientist.com/?tag=otto-rossler
And the paper he posted, and a then reviewed and show to be in error:
http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/LHC/Safety-en.html (towards the bottom)
Ivan Gorelik (Dr. Dark) - mmm I'm not going to say much here other than even the anti LHC crew wont touch his work, and his current course of action is only going to end in a bad way for him, however to represent him offically check his site below:
http://darkenergy.narod.ru/drdark.html
So although there are many physicists that have come up with arguements/counterarguements etc etc to discuss all possible outcomes, all of them every single one are united to state pretty much all models and calculations show we are not at risk from death from the LHC.
And ill end this epic post with this:
All the Anti LHC guys are willing to accept a mathimatical theory that there are more dimensions to our universe (which if was true would be one of the biggest discoveries since fire), yet are not willing to accept the other aspect of this theory that hawking radiation makes black holes irradicate themselves, the two go hand in hand the maths and theory have both, not one or the other.
So they really are being selective to what to tell you, in order to scare and change your stance to allign yourself to their cause as a saviour of the planet.
Peace Out