Mental illness

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Abusing matter

Post by Tau » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:27 am

If you think matter can be "abused", than hammer manufacturers must be about the worst criminals around!
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Re: Abusing matter

Post by chelle » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:09 am

Tau wrote:If you think matter can be "abused", than hammer manufacturers must be about the worst criminals around!
Thats why they invented this type of hammers to smack idiots like you on the head, to avoid any claims of physical abuse.

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Yeah Alfred is the Man, but I think those potent Spy vs Spy idiots from Mad, would have been more appropriate regarding particle collisions.

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LarryS wrote:The news from Fermilab is that the Tevatron has set a new luminosity record, ... NOW PLEASE GO AND WORRY AS IT AMUSES ME
Yeah sure, all fun and games Larry, but how many 'sparks' before things starts to combust?

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Re: Abusing matter

Post by mrgumby » Thu Apr 22, 2010 7:24 am

Chelle wrote: Spy vs Spy
Its a comic...relax......Its not gonna happen.

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Re: Abusing matter

Post by chelle » Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:56 am

mrgumby wrote:...relax......Its not gonna happen.
I'm relax, no problem, and I'm just like you sure that nothing is gonna happen, because once people will look at the facts, they will eventually realise, just like me, that these experiments are too extreme to keep on taking place right here on earth. I rest my case.
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Re: Mental illness

Post by CharmQuark » Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:54 pm

bloody hell :roll:
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Re: Mental illness

Post by Kasuha » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:17 pm

I feel aliens are among us trying to stop LHC as it can help us discover the technology they use to travel through space. When you look at facts it all comes out pretty clear and obvious. :o

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Re: Mental illness

Post by CharmQuark » Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:28 pm

Kasuha wrote:I feel aliens are among us trying to stop LHC as it can help us discover the technology they use to travel through space. When you look at facts it all comes out pretty clear and obvious. :o

You know Kausha i think you are right :? goes and gets her tinfoil hat ready and pray they really will stop them reading my mind :pray:
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Re: Mental illness

Post by Mailo » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:30 pm

CharmQuark wrote:
Kasuha wrote:I feel aliens are among us trying to stop LHC as it can help us discover the technology they use to travel through space. When you look at facts it all comes out pretty clear and obvious. :o

You know Kausha i think you are right :? goes and gets her tinfoil hat ready and pray they really will stop them reading my mind :pray:
I think there was a scientific study to see whether tinfoil hats would actually help ...


/em goes off to search the dusty corners of the internet ...

Ok, found it, wasn't too dusty: Link to MIT study
Brilliant guys with WAY too much time on their hands wrote:Conclusion
The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations.

It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings.
Draw your own conclusions ... and ... KEEP WATCHING THE SKIES!!!!1111eleventyone

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Re: Abusing matter

Post by Stephen » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:08 am

Chelle wrote: I'm relax, no problem, and I'm just like you sure that nothing is gonna happen, because once people will look at the facts, they will eventually realise, just like me, that these experiments are too extreme to keep on taking place right here on earth. I rest my case.
Instead of fear mongering, how about responding to Kasuha's latest post on Ivan's thread?

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Re: Abusing matter

Post by CharmQuark » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:11 am

Stephen wrote:
Chelle wrote: I'm relax, no problem, and I'm just like you sure that nothing is gonna happen, because once people will look at the facts, they will eventually realise, just like me, that these experiments are too extreme to keep on taking place right here on earth. I rest my case.
Instead of fear mongering, how about responding to Kasuha's latest post on Ivan's thread?

Nicely said stephen :clap:
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Re: Abusing matter

Post by mrgumby » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:28 am

Chelle wrote:I rest my case.
Does that means you are going to stop posting?

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Re: Abusing matter

Post by CharmQuark » Fri Apr 23, 2010 2:35 am

mrgumby wrote:
Chelle wrote:I rest my case.
Does that means you are going to stop posting?
One can only hope :pray:
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Re: Abusing matter

Post by chelle » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:10 am

Sure Emmylou & Kasuha lets blame it on the aliens like some diseases are brought to us by aliens or is it a punishment from god, every one likes to keep on living in their dream world. Yes, lets put on our tinfoil hats, or a handkerchief with knots, so we don't have to listen to the fact that the frequency difference between Nature and the lhc is 1000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 (10^27). btw the worlds population is estimated at nearly 7 billion (7.000.000.000).

Like a nuclear bomb, the lhc is an experiment put together by humans that bundles different forces into one event. What if earth starts to melt down like Chernobyl's nuclear reactor ? A melting planet would smash in to the sun like a shot bird falls to the ground, and if has a BEC like core, a sting would ignite Sol like a super-duper-nova.

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I am indeed resting my case because the numbers speak for themselves, and I'm starting to repeat myself without adding anything new. Personally for me the conclusion is clear, if the people here like to neglect the numbers, there is nothing else that I can say that will make them change their minds. I've been here on this forum to learn about the lhc and to ask questions, but as my questions become more complicated and answers are no longer available, you can start to make suggestions of what might happen. And like in the example of the movie 12 Monkeys when it's a negative one, you are a crackpot, you need help, tinfoilhead, fear-monger, anti-science christian reformer, alien believer, … it doesn't seem to come to mind that I'm using just some plain common sense, why is it because its not fancy enough?

You know these particle scientists are very good bookkeepers making up a decent construction, but once something new pops up, the construction can fall dawn like house of cards, before every crash there retards that are screaming its going to happen its a bubble ...

To come to why I'm not replying to what Kasuha said:
"When we go from the analogy to our real world though, we find that these trees or windmills stand really very far away from each other to allow any such kind of chain reaction to occur."

The answer is simple look, how big the detectors are to measure the 'luminosity', or the cosmic rays that keep on flying through our planet, after collisions way Up in the air.

What do you want me to say, yes Stephen its all safe.
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Re: Abusing matter

Post by tswsl1989 » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:25 am

Chelle wrote:… it doesn't seem to come to mind that I'm using just some plain common sense, why is it because its not fancy enough?
No, it's because your reasoning has no scientific basis. Nothing to do with it being "fancy" or not.

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Re: Mental illness

Post by Mailo » Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:27 am

Actually, no, your numbers don't speak for themselves. What on earth do you mean with "a frequency difference between nature and lhc"? The sentence itself doesn't make sense, much less the number you quote. Depending on which naturally occuring frequency and which frequency occuring at the lhc you use, you can get any number between 10^1000 and 10^-1000.

"What if earth starts to melt down like Chernobyl's nuclear reactor ?" is on the same level as "What if aliens start to attack earth?" or "What if the sky starts to fall?"
You keep putting buzzwords into doomsayer sentences without showing you actually understand what they mean, or rather with showing you don't understand what they mean. And no, plain common sense is not really relevant when it comes to modern science. Quite the opposite, it is rather often plain wrong.

Take your favorite doom, BEC. Helium forms a frictionless liquid when cooled down far enough (suprafluidity) that can actually flow uphill. Totally against "plain common sense", yet it still happens.

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