Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Shadowdraxx » Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:26 pm

Stephen all i can say to try and help (I am like this too), is that fear feeds fear, you need to break the cycle and allow yourself to start living again, without the cloud of "lhc" over your head.

It isnt easy but there is no quick fix things take time

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Sat Dec 12, 2009 1:24 am

It's not going to be easy, but I hope to get there one day. People like Ivan who like to spark fear without facts sure don't help.

Anyway, according to Ivan's site policemen came to his home and interrogated his neighbors. Do they think he's capable of violence?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Shadowdraxx » Sat Dec 12, 2009 8:48 am

well u have to look at the wording he says stuff like more drastic measurea and wont stand idle and watch the world "explode" so i dunno where that can lead too...

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Xymox » Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:23 pm

Rather quiet here...

Do you suppose Ivan is underground someplace hiding from the magnetic wasps ?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:06 pm

It's like the silence before the storm. I'm pretty sure Ivan is going to come back and post something even more scandalous.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:44 pm

I refreshed my website http://darkenergy.narod.ru/
and wrote several articles at Google groups sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity..

By the way, I am happy that LHC was stopped almost per the whole day, and that it will be stopped 16-th of December almost per month. There is a small chance that forces of wisdom and good reason will win and powerful colliders will be banned forever.

Best wishes, Ivan.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:58 pm

You seem to be in good spirits today, Ivan :D
Tell me, is there any chance you'll learn the collider is safe before the next collisions?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:39 pm

Tell me, is there any chance you'll learn the collider is safe before the next collisions?
No, it is extremely dangerous for the whole Solar System.
Friday 11-th I phoned to Prosecutor’s Office and asked about the case. They told me that the case is pending.
In a couple of days, if we’ll survive, I’ll try to meet with some high influential people.

Best wishes, Ivan.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:22 pm

You thought the blue spiral in Norway was a magnetic hole but it turned out you were wrong. If you meet physicists who will address every claim you make and explain to you your mistakes, are you willing to listen? If not, what makes you think you're the smartest guy on the planet?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Shadowdraxx » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:48 pm

according to Ivan's site he's heading off to see some guys about his theories, id very much like to know, afterwards

A: Who they were
B: What they thought of your work.

Cheers

p.s dude dont ever never ever ever ever send mails to the eu saying should i kill ppl at embasy's no matter how its written ull get ten tons of army slammed on your doorstep.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:05 am

What will you do with Somebody, if you know that Somebody tries to kill you and your family with probability about dozens of percents. And more, your repeated appeals to authorities did not help you? Will you silently endure the massacre?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Shadowdraxx » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:54 am

If it was just me alone in this field of thinking, id take a step a back for second and check if i need to be in hospital, but mate I'm not saying anything other than governments and such really dont take kindly to such wording, I'm not sure what the best course of action is you should take (tho u state u are meeting physicists to discuss your theories which is a good start).

You have to look at the big picture here Ivan, Cern and its employee's, contractors, + their families mean what about 50,000 people, I just cannot believe they ALL want to die, seems logical to me that for the safety of their family (like u state for yours) they looked at every detail.

Then you have to look at the 4.4 billion people on the planet ok so about 1 billion are maybe aware of what a "LHC" is, but how come there are no protests, how come in their own minds they feel safe with it?.

People feel they need to protest for the smallest things in the name of whats "right" and what is safe.

Nuclear Power is but just one example.
If the LHC could explode the world, why hasnt North Korea built one???, why hasnt a terrorist organisaiton (yes some do have cash flow running into billions of $$), and use it as a ransom?

see what I mean if it were a world exploding device, the whole world would be at war to get their hands on it before someone presses the big button.

And there is NO way that all the member countries and participents would have injected cash into a world destroyer, where is the logic in that?.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:04 am

Ivan, you didn't answer my question -
Stephen wrote:You thought the blue spiral in Norway was a magnetic hole but it turned out you were wrong. If you meet physicists who will address every claim you make and explain to you your mistakes, are you willing to listen? If not, what makes you think you're the smartest guy on the planet?
and a few more question -
1. How did you even come up with this idea?
2. How come you're the only one who thought about it?
3. What kind of education did you get?
4. As Shadowdraxx said, why do you think everyone at CERN has suicidal tendencies?

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by MagneticTrap » Tue Dec 15, 2009 4:35 am

Ivan, you didn't answer my question -
You thought the blue spiral in Norway was a magnetic hole but it turned out you were wrong.
It was hypothesis. I did not say about my value of confidence in that. And more, I thought that it was a trick made by anti CERN people.
If you meet physicists who will address every claim you make and explain to you your mistakes, are you willing to listen?

Earlier I made mistakes and was corrected. I thanked those people who showed me on my mistakes.
But now in these two cases: 1. the theory of magnetic hole; 2. crude errors in CERN safety documents; I can here only: “you are lunatic”, “you are an idiot” and so on. But those are not the scientific arguments.
If not, what makes you think you're the smartest guy on the planet?
No, I am usual physicists. May be I am more eccentric as others, because all my life I developed alternative cosmology and space physics.
1. How did you even come up with this idea?
In September 2008, after I learned about fighting around the collider, I tried to investigate microscopic objects connected by magnetic forces and received them almost at once.
2. How come you're the only one who thought about it?
No. I am not the first. Dozens of analogues theories and ideas were said before me.
3. What kind of education did you get?
High. And 30 years of self-education and creative work. But I am an independent researcher. Bigbangers will not let me work in science, because the contemporary science is a religious dogma.
4. As Shadowdraxx said, why do you think everyone at CERN has suicidal tendencies?
They are usual people, engineers, programmers, narrow specialists. They believe bigbangers and their king Hawking. But I wrote in the first post about his crudest error.
Several days ago in one Russian restaurant more than hundred people had burned alive, because there were crude errors in the restaurant safety. Now we have crude errors in LHC safety, as a result, we all can be burned alive. Probability is about of dozens percents. CERN physicists do not know what magnetic hole is. I am banned almost everywhere. Discussion of LHC safety is banned everywhere. Why? Because they have the errors there. Because those people, who made those errors, must response.

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Re: Several biggest errors of particle physicists.

Post by Stephen » Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:17 am

Now we have crude errors in LHC safety, as a result, we all can be burned alive. Probability is about of dozens percents.
In the previous physics forum you posted your theories they explained to you exactly why you are wrong. Your main argument to the errors of the physicists is that cosmic rays have different velocities than the collisions which will occur in the LHC is true, but was addressed directly in the safety report and was considered while making the calculations. Plus, how do you account for the existence of neutron stars and white dwarfs the report mentions?
I am banned almost everywhere.
You're banned everywhere because people gave you the chance to respond to their counter arguments and explain the science behind your theory, but you have failed to do it. You keep repeating the same things, yet you selectively choose which claims to respond to. They don't want to give a forum to a guy who tries to create fear without reason.
Discussion of LHC safety is banned everywhere. Why? Because they have the errors there. Because those people, who made those errors, must response.
That's not true. People talk about the LHC everywhere - here, the media, physics forum, and even in places who are skeptical about it like your beloved lhc concerns and the register site. Scientists in CERN have heard and responded to all of the claims about the dangerous objects directed towards them. They have made a safety report and explained thoroughly why this experiment is not dangerous. I have called several physicists myself (who are not related to the LHC) and they took the time to answer all of my questions and calm me down. All of them said they would have opposed this experiment if there was a slight chance of concern. No scientist thinks this experiment is dangerous. The only one who did was Rainer Plaga and his report who discussed and proven incorrect in length. Again, what makes you think you're so much smarter than all of the educated scientists who work at CERN and why do you think they would go through the experiment if they thought is possed any threat to earth? It would be kind of pointless, don't you think?

CERN physicists do not know what magnetic hole is
No one does, because this theory was invented by you, and there's absolutely no evidence for the existence of this object. I still don't understand what is "a collaptical explosion", and you have yet to shown how you calculated these probabilities. You say that two independent calculations give the same results, but you're the one who made both of these calculations.

You say cosmic rays showers are evidence for your theories, but the reason for these showers have been known for years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray

You say SN 1987's rings are a proof for your theory, but their source is explained and you didn't tell us why this is considered as an evidence for your theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SN_1987A

So you went to university. Do you have a physics degree (besides your teaching degree)? I'd like to see the theories supporting your magnetic holes and see who they were written by.
In September 2008, after I learned about fighting around the collider, I tried to investigate microscopic objects connected by magnetic forces and received them almost at once.
Please elaborate on that.

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